there's no question and the polls reflect that romney helped himself in his debate. you heard what frank luntz just said about that kind of instant poll that he ran. but are you seeing any polling yet that suggests that the vice presidential debate made any difference in the race, not on who won or lost? >> no, not really. i think we see, you know, this-- the race overall now in the national polls you see the average of them romney's up by a point or two. he was behind by three points or so before that denver debate. in the battleground states some have turned -- colorado, florida is looking better, ohio is a little tighter, the president is still up there. that's all because of denver. i don't think we've seen anything in this-- the debate field like it went into the automatic sorting machine of this election where we already had, the right took from it what they wanted the left took what they wanted, and the swing voters may have been a little offended by biden but they're not going to make their decision-- >> schieffer: i'm going to ring the bell for round two. >>